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    Interview with Walter H. Bowart

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    July 16, 1995

    San Jose, California

Interview participants:
Marilyn Colman: MC
Will Robinson: WR
Walter Bowart: WB

WR: Here on the Lighthouse Report it is our pleasure to have before us a person whom we've interviewed many times on phone, Walter Boward. Walter, how are you doing today?

WB: Well, I'm doing great and it is my pleasure to be here in person with you.

WR: I think the first place to start is regarding the talk that you gave just last night, or I should say, Saturday night when this program is aired....why don't we get to the areas that you said that you didn't get to cover but would like to touch on, on the subject of mind control and manipulation.

WB: Well, of course the new areas of research...it's flooding in all the time and that's...that's been called, what, the "cordless mind control area" if you will, some kind of broadcasting of technology that puts a human voice inside of.. human voice in teams, twenty-four hours a day, inside of a person's mind. Now we want to try to come... we are working on...Freedom of Thought Foundation is building a network and we're working with scientists to try and come up with ways to discern between people that are paranoid-schizophrenics. Because traditionally, if you had a voice inside your head you're diagnosed as paranoid-schizophrenic. And that was it. But we found a lot of these people that are hearing these voices are not paranoid-schizophrenic and function otherwise normally. They just hear these voices.

MC: And I think it's important to realize that not everything continues to be the same truth. Part of the problem we have with today's medical associations is they are not able to look at what's really happening and I think, Walter, it is important that you are one of me...in the vanguard of opening up the new technology.

WB: Yeah, well, this is what we are learning, in our experience, is that the therapist and social workers down in the lowest level have the best handle because they really treat people hands-on. The next level that knows about it are the psychologists and the ones that know the least about all of this mind-control stuff are the psychiatrists. They are twenty years behind time. I mean, the idea of Freudian analysis is still going on and it is pathetic to think that people will pay lots of money-what is it? – hundreds of dollars an hour...

MC: ... and many, many years. About ten years... WB: ...and all talking about your problems does is reinforce your problem.

WR: In other words, what you are saying is they're more like the New York Dental Association.

WB: Yeah-it's like a closed shop and they're twenty years behind the time. They are working with outdated technology and ideas. MC: And that's right, because the New ,Age medicine adopted the work of the shaman and of the occult and of the spiritual side of man and we are now seeing that these two things, both the mechanical aspect of mind and body and the spiritual side, have to come together to heal the whole person.

WB: We have a False Memory "Spindrome" Foundation. I call it "spindrome" because it's not a syndrome what they describe a~ false memories. And the concept of this group is that memories can be implanted in your mind. False memories, untrue things. You will remember untrue things. Now, this is not established very well in law and there is a plus side to this because, in fact, false memories can be implanted. And also, people are inept at hypnosis and various other things so that they will pollute others unintentionally with false memories and things like that. However, the board of this organization is made up of a lot of CIA people, CIA contracts, "spychiatrists", and pedophiles, child molesters, people that are on the side of pedophilia. They are trying to defend pedophilia. And it is a very litigious, very aggresive organization that has struck terror in the hearts of the psychiatric, psychological and therapeutic community.

MC: Now how can we relate this to the two things like the Prince and the McMartin Cases?

WB: The McMartin case, I don't know exactly how it relates but...

MC: Well, if the children, they claim that the children's memories of being molested were implanted by the therapists working with them.

WB: Yeah, that's what they claim, but I don't think that had any bearing on the case and the outcome. I think that the withholding of evidence had more to do, and what evidence was found later that the children said was true of the tunnels and whatnot, that was discovered later, so I think the case fell because of bad...

MC: But you know that the folks that espoused this were using this as ammunition against you.

WR: Yeah, Yeah because the bottom line is you have a verdict turned back that they were acquitted. And they were using that to foster the idea to give the people like the False Memory Spindrome Foundation (FMSF) more ammunition to say "see?"

WB: Yes. Have you talked to Allan Shefland about this?

WR: No we haven't.

WB: He would be a good one to interview because he is a lawyer and he knows the ins and outs and if I have not misunderstood him, all of the decisions that have been made that seem to be in favor of the False Memory Spindrome Foundation will be reversed on appeal because they are all third party lawsuits and there is a good body of law that bars this kind of thing. And this is just a temporary thing.

MC: Because they're claiming, for instance this case where the girl, twenty years later, claims she was abused by her father and then they claim that the psychiatrist put this information into her head and now you are saying that these have a chance of being overturned back the other way.

WB: Yes back. Yeah, on appeal. And what concerns me though are people like Dr. Colin Ross with (Charter Hospital who is a leading psychiatrist who is supposed to understand Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD)) and says he understands the degree that the intelligence community has influenced and created Multiple Personality Disorders and yet he has joined the False Memory Syndrome Foundation and is trying, or at least pretending, to be an apologist to bring unity between this group and another, and it scares me because he also said "I want to make money from this" beforehand. And it's like a turncoat sort of... though his intentions may be to subvert the FMSF he is grossly outnumbered. And I think it is going to hurt his practice in the end. I don't think that the survivors are going to trust this man anymore.

WR: You know, we see something else happening also, an interesting phenomena, if you want to call it....l wouldn't call it a phenomena but....and that is, it seems that the people that are fostering this new form, I guess we could say new form of thought control, are working both sides of the fence. We also have an organization by the name of the Colt Awareness Network that works the other side of the street counter to the False Memory Syndrome but in a manner of speaking they make interesting bedfellows in some of the operatives.

WB: Yes, yes. And both of them...one of the things they have in common however you divide it up to keep it simple.. .both of them are targeting psychologists and therapists. Primarily psychologists 'cause the psychiatrists are god on Mt. Olympus, protected by the AMA and above reproach generally. But the psychologists and therapists, the people who are really doing the work with these people hands-on are vulnerable to this kind of intimidation and litigation and threat. And right now in the summer of 1995 there is a climate of panic in the community. People are running scared. They are afraid to take clients. And of course you are dealing with Multiple Personality Disorder, a lot of which is government induced or manipulated through intelligence. I mean. Ross told me that 20% of his patients, he thinks, are government related. Another prominent psychologist told me that 40% of his patients are the government mind control, MPDs.

MC: Now as I understand this, his kind of breakdown of the personality is done out of trauma-based. And to disassociate means to survive as an entity, as a human. So the people break down into various fragments personality-wise to survive the pain of what they've experienced. Now that happens naturally also and also as we are reading...

WB: Oh, it does happen naturally, yes indeed but it rarely happens naturally to say 20% of the people that experience it because you have to have a certain imagination and a certain intelligence level. All of the multiple personality people are extremely brilliant and very gifted in many ways. and then the MPD...which comes first the chicken or the egg? But then after you've developed this Associative Development Disorder, or MPD? as it used to be called, you develop incredible extrasensory perception and various other gifts, at least that's the way they describe it and experience it. Now people like Ross say it's not demonstrable, I mean you can't repeat it, you can't prove that they have this ESP that they talk about and that remains to he seen. Because, time and time again? interviewing these people, you've heard them talk about the government, the United States clandestine intelligence interest in this, remote viewing and how to locate submarines under water and you know targeting objects at a distance, things like that.

WR: Now using a term or word that was actually invented by you, this is the offspring of the word, why don't we talk about what one would call the "cryptocratic" time line of when this really began and what has and how it's developed and escalated. – love that word. by the way. Marilyn and I are going to adopt that and use it more and more.

WB: Thank you, I think it's a good idea. I mean on behalf of the English language it's a prefix. "Crypto" is in the dictionary, and "ocracy" is in the dictionary, and "cryptocracy" isn't, and all it means is "secret government." But it plays against...cryptocracy plays against democracy. And some of the early stuff, the earliest modern evidence that we have... now Allan Shefland does a neat tape...we made a tape of his presentation and its available through the Freedom of Thought Foundation for $39.95 (can I say that?)

WR: We will give out the information toward the end of this interview and also on the program and how they can get in touch with you.

WB: Super, but he starts out with a slide show of the history of mind control. And it starts out with a picture of a skull with a hole in the middle of the head. And he says "this i9 the first attempt at mind control" and he goes through history with that. So you know, it starts with water torture and various things and they were experimenting with all kinds of shock treatments before electricity was invented. And then when electricity came on they used that and you can see the progress. And he's got vivid slides of the straight jackets, and I'm sure you've seen the reproduction of that thing they put around their head to keep them from biting their tongue off when they shock them.

MC: What's interesting, we might mention here, is that much of this work done over the centuries was done on female subjects. And it's important to note, because females were much easier to restrain, put away, put into institutions. And there was always a lot of cash to be made, because women could not inherit in England or in France until the laws were liberated. One in Napoleon's codus liberated the females so that they could inherit. The point is that women were often used, women and children, and they were not only operated on physically to deform them, but they were also put into institutions and experimented on. They really were the first mind experiment subjects.

WB: Yes, well no longer. Thank God. Things have changed in our society, and there is a great deal of empowerment going on for women and children, at last.

MC: And this is important in this whole discussion because I know, and I can tell you from my own research, that much of the military experimentation... and this is what Mr. Boward has done here... was done on the children of the doctors themselves. They used their own offspring to do these horrible things. Correct?

WB: Yes, as a matter of fact, that's the terrible thing, that children, the way they tortured the children. It's lurid and disgusting; we can talk about it if you want.

WR: I think we need to get back to the time line first.

WB: On the first page of Operation Mind Control, or on the second or third page, it says under a photograph, "Operation Mind Control is largely a male chauvinist game, because women and children were the targets." Eighty percent of the people we're finding now are women.

WR: Now I think we should start with the time line and see how this incorporates itself.

WB: I'm glad someone is keeping us organized. In 1940-41, the earliest thing we found in the modern context, as I was about to say, is a naval officer who had his memory suppressed, because it contained secrets of torture at the hands of the Japanese. Apparently he both did torturing and was tortured. He remembered these terrors and relived them only in the last days of his life in his late eighties after he began to suffer the side effects of a series of strokes, cardiovascular accidents. So this man got out of WWII, had his memories suppressed by mind control, this new science emerging. And lived a happy life and there's a VA history of him and all this. And he married and you know you have every bit of documentation on this man. Until the last days, only recently, he died, and he died in terror. He died screaming. He died from all the suppressed memories, memories that were suppressed by mind control.

WR: It literally came back and killed him.

WB: Well, the cardiovascular accidents or whatever was going on.

WR: Well, that could have been caused by the terror.

WB: Good question, good point.

MC: I'd like to ask you this – in many cases with children that have been abused. When they become adults they claim to have no memory of their childhood. Is that true that there is an age line on this, that it starts to wear off at a certain point and they start to remember?

WB: Well, actually we had here a guy, this guy must have been a grown man before they used whatever they did to suppress his memories. But normally, to create a multiple personality, they start before five years old. They start really young, and by five they've finished. The work is done.

MC: What's the normal memory for a child? What does a normal person remember before they are five?

WB: Oh, I remember being six months old.

MC: You do?

WB: Oh, sure. Yeah, I think a lot of people remember really early, some incidents. You don't remember continuously. But you remember falling off the bed, or you remember that suddenly I'm walking, how did I get to walking?

MC: So is that true that in many cases a person that does not have any memory, let's say before six, could have an incident of this, because people ask this...

WB: Oh, yes, I think one of the signs of abuse and trauma is lack of memory. If they continue to have missing time like if any of you listeners out there have clothes hanging in your closet that are your size but not your style, and they're over on one side of the closet and they change now and then, but you don't ever remember wearing them, it's time to consult somebody.

WR: It's funny, now last night, you know how you're dozing off and you've got the TV on, I just happened to catch a movie that was on HBO that was about a daughter being abused by her father. And the way it came about, it was that she was a teenager, and all of a sudden she started having nightmares, and she was always withdrawn from people, and it was because she never felt she was good enough. She felt guilty, she felt dirty. Now, you've got to remember, this was a drama, but I'm sure it was based on a study of some cases. It turns out that her father had been abusing since she was very small, just sneaking into the bedroom, a little at first, and then getting more agressive with it and to the point that she finally couldn't take it anymore, but she felt more than anything else that it was her fault. And it's sad...

WB: Yes, that's usually it. And also the child often seeks out the abuser. Like if there's a choice to live between Mom and Dad, and one of them is the abuser, the child will often choose the abuser to live with.

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