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         MindNet Journal - Vol. 1, No. 44
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         V E R I C O M M / MindNet         "Quid veritas est?"
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    Editor: Mike Coyle

    Contributing Editors: Walter Bowart
                          Alex Constantine
                          Martin Cannon

    Assistant Editor: Rick Lawler

    Research: Darrell Bross

    Editor's Note:

    The following is a transcription of a taped telephone interview
    conducted on September 16, 1995, with Dorothy Burdick, the author
    of _Such Things Are Known_, which was published in 1980. Mrs.
    Burdick's book described her harassment by technology that
    seemed to be able to read her thoughts, and to place thoughts,
    and voices into her mind. She also described directed-energy
    harassment such as laser strikes, acoustic targeting, and
    central nervous system manipulation. Interestingly, much of the
    technology she described has been, in the ensuing years,
    confirmed by the work of authors such as Dr. Robert O. Becker,
    and Captain Paul E. Tyler. Both of whom have described
    experiments done by researchers in these specific areas.

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    Interview with:

    DOROTHY BURDICK, author of _Such Things Are Known_

    Sept. 1995

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    MIKE COYLE:

    What made you want to write a book about your experiences?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    Well desperation mostly. I couldn't get anybody to do anything
    about it, or suggest how it could be done. Being a naturally
    curious person, I put my own thesis together; let's put it that
    way. This stuff is classified, or was at that time. A lot of it
    has, I think, been let out.

    MIKE COYLE:

    If it was classified, how did you find out about it?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    I talked to people. I talked to a lot of people, and I know how
    to use a medical library, and a physics library. Basically, what
    I did was to read all the media. Things like high-tech, science
    news, anything that related to the subject at all, in any way.

    MIKE COYLE:

    Did you have any trouble getting the book published?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    What I did was publish it myself.

    MIKE COYLE:

    Did you shop it around to publishers?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    Yes, I sent it to an agent and they simply told me that it  was
    not the kind of thing they could publish. When I tried to go the
    newspaper route, I had a friend that was a lawyer, so I was
    familiar with the Washington press, and he said there was no way
    that any reputable newspaper would publish any of this stuff.

    MIKE COYLE:

    Did they give you a specific reason why they wouldn't publish it?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    Well, they did not give me a specific reason, but I assume it's
    because they are pretty well controlled by the US government, and
    its agencies. I sent it to every Congressman on the US Select
    Committee, and every Senator.

    MIKE COYLE:

    Do you think the publishers knew that they shouldn't publish it
    because of the nature of the information?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    I don't know whether it was that, or they thought it was such a
    crazy story that it wouldn't catch on.

    MIKE COYLE:

    What kind of comments, criticisms, or feedback did you get about
    the book?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    Really nothing uncomplimentary. I got a lot of "you should see a
    psychiatrist" kind of stuff. Many were just glad they had found
    the book.

    MIKE COYLE:

    If you were going to revise the book, what would you change?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    I think more, and more, of the technology has been coming out,
    and I think we are more willing to accept the fact that we live
    in a satellite world. That's the first thing that is hardest to
    grasp. We depend on satellite communications, and they can
    eavesdrop almost anywhere on the face of the earth. If you bug
    somebody they can observe, and listen, 24 hours a day if they
    wish.

    MIKE COYLE:

    Are you still being harassed?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    Oh definitely.

    MIKE COYLE:

    In the same way that you described in the book, or has it
    changed in any way?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    Some, yes, it's very hard. I'm sure it's a computer voice thing
    because you get the same voices all the time, and it changes at
    random. Whether it's male, female, or what it is, OK? This has to
    be a very expensive operation. I can't imagine that anyone would
    be able to do it except as part of a psychological experiment, or
    that it would be government connected. I suspect they do this in
    an effort to find out what happens. I think we have been guinea
    pigs before in many other experiments, in many other ways, and
    unknowingly you see. They don't tell you. They just do it.

    MIKE COYLE:

    Have you ever met anyone who was being harassed in the same way
    that you are, and talked to them about it?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    I have never met anybody except by phone who would admit to it,
    or write me a letter, and admit to it I have tried to help some
    of these people simply by talking to them on the phone, or
    answering their letters.

    MIKE COYLE:

    Are you still in touch with any of these people?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    No, I have quite a lot to do, and as a result I don't want to
    give it any more time than I have to because right now. As you
    know, I'm in the middle of a move. I have some real writing I
    want to do in a subject in which I am well qualified. I'm a
    dietian. I keep collecting ideas for an improvement on the last
    book, because perhaps the time has  come for this book. I simply
    can't afford to publish it myself again. My thought was if you
    could put it a hundred  years in the future. It would be like,
    2084.

    MIKE COYLE:

    So you want write a fiction based on your experiences?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    Yeah, just call it fiction, without being so specific about it,
    and I thought I'd give it a ripple you know, but I haven't done
    too much about it except cull my files, and collect information
    that I thought was interesting.

    MIKE COYLE:

    Do you have any advice for other victims of the type of
    harassment you have experienced?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    There are two things you can do. You can find ways of
    tranquilizing yourself. I think meditation is a very good  way.
    Make sure you don't get over-tired. If anybody in this more
    productive world can find a way not to get tired; I'd like to
    hear about it. You can always find somebody to talk to in
    psychology, or psychiatry, but I don't imagine you'll get too
    much support. Find someone you can trust.

    MIKE COYLE:

    Do you recommend shielding techniques to defend against this type
    of harassment?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    I am not enough of an expert on it to be sure, but I know that
    they have built such things. One of the things that's been
    mentioned is white-noise. I got a white-noise machine through the
    mail. It was suppose to deal out every frequency, but they can
    get through. Maybe it wasn't strong enough.

    MIKE COYLE:

    Speaking of shielding, in your book you describe an experiment
    where you were put into a Faraday cage.

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    Yes, and I later found out that this was a phony thing. I feel
    very badly about some of the people who are involved in what I
    call disinformation. There was no question that that was a
    set-up, and they wanted to see what would happen. A particular
    person that I sat [in the Faraday cage] for, is into societies
    for parapsychologies of various kinds. They encourage you to
    believe in parapsychology. I find that they have infiltrated
    junior colleges; especially with what is really adult
    entertainment. They put it on  to add to their income. They rent
    out the room and the professor gets a certain amount, and the
    college gets a certain amount. They will get somebody who may be
    qualified, or may not be qualified, in psychology, and they will
    give a course in reading auras. The mix it up with eastern
    religions, and what comes through is a bunch of b.s. You know
    what happened to Kubler-Ross, she moved to the east coast, I
    can't remember where, and is involved in working with people,
    but she has harassment. She went south of the Mason-Dixon line.
    I don't know whether that is because she is the south, which is
    one possibility, or because she was being harassed in California,
    and they tried to embarrass her a great deal there. I first got
    on to her in _California Magazine_, and everybody knows who she
    is, because she came up with the four stages of dying. I think
    this whole thing has hurt a lot of good people.

    MIKE COYLE:

    So you think that the results that you got from the experiment
    with the Faraday cage were not what actually happened?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    No, and I don't think there was any purpose except to take up my
    time and find out what I thought about it.

    MIKE COYLE:

    Do you think that trying to stay physically, and emotionally,
    healthy is beneficial to defend against mind control?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    That's hard to do and I think some of this jogging is so that
    people can get away from it. They hope to block what they're
    hearing with their radios. But that's just an observation. I
    don't know if it's true, or not, and naturally they're not going
    to say.

    MIKE COYLE:

    Are you implying that a lot of people know that something strange
    is going on, but they don't want to admit it, or talk about it,
    either to themselves, or to others?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    I'm sure it's from coast to coast. They don't want to talk about
    it, because they think it will just lead to more trouble. The
    other thing you will find is that you can be mis-heard on the
    phone very easily once they get on it. They can distort numbers.
    Some words don't come across quite the way you would like. There
    is no question. You must have known that we have had
    eavesdropping on telephone lines in this country since very long
    ago, in the sixties at least. I don't worry about it to much
    anymore. In the beginning it bothered me. It really doesn't now.

    MIKE COYLE:

    Have you ever used some type of device to try to detect what is
    being done to you?

    DOROTHY BURDICK:

    No, because I always figured that the government had much
    better, more expensive stuff, than I did. And that they could
    probably overcome anything I might try, or use.

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