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    Date sent:        Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:29:24 -0800
    From:             H. Michael Sweeney
    To:               Eleanor White
    Subject:          Re: "Greenbaum" speech

    THE GREENBAUM SPEECH
    ** Safe for MPD Victims **

    By Doctor D. Corydon Hammond

    "Safe Version" Redacted to Protect Ritual Abuse MPD Victims
    With Introductions and Redactions by H. Michael Sweeney, Author, The
    Professional Paranoid: How to Fight Back When Investigated, Stalked,
    Harassed, or Targeted by Any Agency, Organization, or Individual

    It is extremely important to realize how key this speech is, since it
    represents one of the first and very few times a group of psychiatric
    professionals have openly acknowledged and discussed the existence,
    detection, proper diagnosis, and successful treatment of ritual abuse
    MPD programming - and further, openly and directly linked such
    programming to Satanic influences and the CIA through scientific
    discovery. However, I would urge extreme caution to anyone closely
    associated with or who may actually be a victim of ritual abuse MPD
    programming - they should NOT READ THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT IN AN UNEDITED
    FORM.  One of the principle material contributions within the document
    itself is the explicit warning that such persons should NOT be exposed
    (contaminated) IN ANY WAY to select information contained herein because
    it would SEVERELY HAMPER OR DETER ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR PROPER PSYCHIATRIC
    EVALUATION AND TREATMENT as prescribed/described herein.

    Specifically, to become aware of this information contaminates the
    victim in a way which makes it difficult if not impossible for the
    Doctor to find the clues which confirm the programming and subsequently
    lead to treatments appropriate to the programming. Thus I have taken the
    liberty of preparing this version of the document which is 'censored' to
    safe levels by using CIA's own time honored methodology of [REDACTED]
    annotation.  Some redactions include terms or phrases found elsewhere,
    but in such cases, it is the context and use of the terms and phrases
    which warrants the redaction.  Other redactions involve descriptions of
    programming techniques which are typically described by the patients in
    treatment. These are the things which must come from the patient from
    true memories (especially when 'hidden' within an alter personality) and
    without outside contamination or influence in order to have any value in
    the treatment process. A small number of redactions are specifically to
    avoid establishing an undue fear of the process in an MPD. Professionals
    and researchers, of course, will want the full document, which can be
    obtained by email request from .

    Herein is the lecture by D.C.Hammond, originally entitled "Hypnosis in
    MPD: Ritual Abuse," more commonly known as the "Greenbaum Speech,"
    delivered at the Fourth Annual Eastern Regional Conference on Abuse and
    Multiple Personality, Thursday June 25, 1992, at the Radisson Plaza
    Hotel, Mark Center, Alexandria, Virginia. Sponsored by the Center for
    Abuse Recovery & Empowerment, The Psychiatric Institute of Washington,
    D.C. Both a tape and a transcript were at one time available from Audio
    Transcripts of Alexandria, Virginia (800-338-2111). Tapes and
    transcripts of other sessions from the conference are still being sold
    but -- understandably -- not this one. The transcript below was made
    from a privately made tape of the original lecture.

    In the introduction the following background information is given for D.
    Corydon Hammond:

    B.S. M.S. Ph.D (Counseling Psychology) from the University of Utah
    Diplomat in Clinical Hypnosis, the American Board of Psychological
    Hypnosis
    Diplomat in Sex Therapy, the American Board of Sexology
    Clinical Supervisor and Board Examiner, American Board of Sexology
    Diplomat in Marital and Sex Therapy, American Board of Family Psychology

    Licensed Psychologist, Licensed Marital Therapist, Licensed Family
    Therapist, State of Utah
    Research Associate Professor of Physical Medicine an Rehabilitation,
    Utah School of Medicine
    Director and Founder of the Sex and Marital Therapy Clinic, University
    of Utah.
    Adjunct Associate Professor of Educational Psychology, University of
    Utah
    Abstract Editor, The American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis
    Advising Editor and Founding Member, Editorial Board, The Ericsonian
    Monograph
    Referee, The Journal of Abnormal Psychology
    1989 Presidential Award of Merit, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis
    1990 Urban Sector Award, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis
    Current [now Past] President, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis

                THE GREENBAUM SPEECH of D.C.HAMMOND

    We've got a lot to cover today and let me give you a rough approximate
    outline of the the things that I'd like us to get into. First, let me
    ask how many of you have had at least one course or workshop on
    hypnosis? Can I see the hands? Wonderful. That makes our job easier.

    Okay. I want to start off by talking a little about trance-training and
    the use of hypnotic phenomena with an MPD dissociative-disorder
    population, to talk some about unconscious exploration, methods of doing
    that, the use of imagery and symbolic imagery techniques for managing
    physical symptoms, input overload, things like that.

    Before the day's out, I want to spend some time talking about something
    I think has been completely neglected in the field of dissociative
    disorder, and that's talking about methods of profound calming for
    automatic hyper-arousal that's been conditioned in these patients. We're
    going to spend a considerable length of time talking about
    age-regression and abreaction in working through a trauma.

    I'll show you with a non-MPD patient -- some of that kind of work -- and
    then extrapolate from what I find so similar and different with MPD
    cases. Part of that, I would add, by the way, is that I've been very
    sensitive through the years about taping MPD cases or ritual-abuse
    cases, part of it being that some of that feels a little like using
    patients and I think that this population has been used enough. That's
    part of the reason, by choice, that I don't generally videotape my work.

    I also want to talk a bunch about hypnotic relapse-prevention strategies
    and post-integration therapy today. Finally, I hope to find somewhere in
    our time-frame to spend on hour or so talking specifically about ritual
    abuse and about mind-control programming and brainwashing -- how it's
    done, how to get on the inside with that -- which is a topic that in the
    past I haven't been willing to speak about publicly, have done that in
    small groups and in consultations, but recently decided that it was high
    time that somebody started doing it. So we're going to talk about
    specifics today. [Applause]

    In Chicago at the first international congress where ritual abuse was
    talked about I can remember thinking, "How strange and interesting." I
    can recall many people listening to an example given that somebody
    thought was so idiosyncratic and rare, and all the people coming up
    after saying, "Gee, you're treating one, too? You're in Seattle"...Well,
    I'm in Toronto...Well, I'm in Florida...Well, I'm in Cincinnati." I
    didn't know what to think at that point.

    It wasn't too long after that I found my first ritual-abuse patient in
    somebody I was already treating and we hadn't gotten that deep yet.
    Things in that case made me very curious about the use of mind-control
    techniques and hypnosis and other brainwashing techniques. So I started
    studying brainwashing and some of the literature in that area and became
    acquainted with, in fact, one of the people who'd written one of the
    better books in that area.

    Then I decided to do a survey, and from the ISSMP&D [International
    Society for the Study of Multiple Personality and Dissociation] folks I
    picked out about a dozen and a half therapists that I though were seeing
    more of that than probably anyone else around and I started surveying
    them. The interview protocol, that I had got the same reaction almost
    without exception. Those therapists said, "You're asking questions I
    don't know the answers to. You're asking more specific questions than
    I've ever asked my patients." Many of those same therapists said, "Let
    me ask [my patients] those questions and I'll get back to you with the
    answer."

    Many of them not only got back with answers, but said, "You've got to
    talk to this patient or these two patients." I ended up doing hundred of
    dollars worth of telephone interviewing. What I came out of that was a
    grasp of a variety of brainwashing methods being used all over the
    country. I started to hear some similarities. Whereas I hadn't known, to
    begin with, how widespread things were, I was now getting a feeling that
    there were a lot of people reporting some similar things and that there
    must be some degree of communication here.

    Then approximately two and a half years ago I had some material drop in
    my lap. My source was saying a lot of things that I knew were accurate
    about some of the brainwashing, but it was telling me new material I had
    no idea about. At this point I took and decided to check it out in three
    ritual-abuse patients I was seeing at the time. Two of the three had
    what they were describing, in careful inquiry without leading or
    contaminating.

    The fascinating thing was that as I did a telephone-consult with a
    therapist that I'd been consulting for quite a number of months on an
    MPD case in another state, I told her to inquire about certain things.
    She said, "Well, what are those things?" I said, "I'm not going to tell
    you, because I don't want there to be any possibility of contamination.
    Just come back to me and tell me what the patient says."

    She called me back two hours later, said, "I just had a double session
    with this patient and there was a part of him that said, 'Oh, we're so
    excited. If you know about this stuff, you know how the Cult Programmers
    get on the inside and our therapy is going to go so much faster.'" Many
    other patients since have had a reaction of wanting to pee their pants
    out of anxiety and fear rather than thinking it was wonderful thing. But
    the interesting thing was that she then asked, "What are these things?"
    They were word perfect -- same answers my source had given me. I've
    since repeated that in many parts of the country.

    I've consulted in eleven states and one foreign country, in some cases
    over the telephone, in some cases in person, in some cases giving the
    therapist information ahead of time and saying, "Be very careful how you
    phrase this. Phrase it in these ways so you don't contaminate." In other
    cases not even giving the therapist information ahead of time so they
    couldn't. When you start to find the same highly esoteric information in
    different states and different countries, from Florida to California,
    you start to get an idea that there's something going on that is very
    large, very well coordinated, with a great deal of communication and
    sytematicness to what's happening. So I have gone from someone kind of
    neutral and not knowing what to think about it all to someone who
    clearly believes ritual abuse is real and that the people who say it
    isn't are either naive like people who didn't want to believe the
    Holocaust or -- they're dirty. [Applause]

    Now for a long time I would tell a select group of therapists that I
    knew and trusted, information and say, "Spread it out. Don't spread my
    name. Don't say where it came from. But here's some information. Share
    it with other therapists if you find it's on target, and I'd appreciate
    your feedback." People would question -- in talks -- and say, you know,
    they were hungry for information. Myself, as well as a few others that
    I've shared it with, were hedging out of concern and out of personal
    threats and out of death threats. I finally decided to hell with them.
    If they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me. It's time to
    share more information with therapists.

    Part of that comes because we proceeded so cautiously and slowly,
    checking things in many different locations and find the same thing. So
    I'm going to give you the way in with ritual-abuse programming. I
    certainly can't tell you everything that you want to know in forty-five
    or fifty minutes, but I'm going to give you the essentials to get inside
    and start working at a new level. I don't know what proportion,
    honestly, of patients have this. I would guess that maybe somewhere
    around at least fifty percent, maybe as high as three-quarters, I would
    guess maybe two-thirds of your ritual-abuse patients may have this.

    What do I think the distinguishing characteristic is? If they were
    raised from birth in a mainstream cult or if they were an non-bloodline
    person, meaning neither parent was in the Cult, but Cult people had a
    lot of access to them in early childhood, they may also have it. I have
    seen more than one ritual-abuse patient who clearly had all the kind of
    ritual things you hear about. They seemed very genuine. They talked
    about all the typical things that you hear in this population, but had
    none of this programming with prolonged extensive checking. So I believe
    in one case I was personally treating that she was a kind of schizmatic
    break-off that had kind of gone off and done their own thing and were no
    longer hooked into a mainstream group. [Pause]

    Here's where it appears to have come from. At the end of World War II,
    before it even ended, Allen Dulles and people from our Intelligence
    Community were already in Switzerland making contact to get out Nazi
    scientists. As World War II ends, they not only get out rocket
    scientists, but they also get out some Nazi doctors who have been doing
    mind-control research in the camps.

    They brought them to the United States. Along with them was a young boy,
    a teenager, who had been raised in a Hasidic Jewish tradition and a
    background of [REDACTED] that probably appealed to people in the Cult
    because at least by the turn of the century Aleister Crowley had been
    introducing [REDACTED] into Satanic stuff, if not earlier. I suspect it
    may have formed some bond between them.

    But he saved his skin by collaborating and being an assistant to them in
    the death-camp experiments. They brought him with them. They started
    doing mind-control research for Military Intelligence in military
    hospitals in the United States. The people that came, the Nazi doctors,
    were Satanists. Subsequently, the boy changed his name, Americanized it
    some, obtained an M.D. degree, became a physician and continued this
    work that appears to be at the center of Cult Programming today. His
    name is known to patients throughout the country. [Pause]

    What they basically do is they will get a child and they will start
    this, in basic forms, it appears, by about two and a half after the
    child's already been made dissociative. They'll make him dissociative
    not only through abuse, like sexual abuse, but also things like
    [REDACTED] and teaching the parents, "You do not go in until the child
    stops crying. Only then do you [REDACTED]." They start in rudimentary
    forms at about two and a half and kick into high gear, it appears,
    around six or six and a half, continue through adolescence with periodic
    reinforcements in adulthood.

    Basically in the programming the child will be put typically [REDACTED].
    They will have an [REDACTED]. They'll be strapped down, [REDACTED].
    There'll be [REDACTED]. They will see [REDACTED]. They'll be given, most
    commonly I believe, [REDACTED] as well depending on the kind of
    programming. They have it, I think, down to a science where they've
    learned you [REDACTED] until the programming is done.

    They then will describe a [REDACTED] stimulation to drive the brain
    [REDACTED]. Then, after a suitable period when they're in a certain
    brainwave state, they will begin programming, programming oriented to
    self-destruction and debasement of the person.

    In a patient at this point in time about eight years old who has gone
    through a great deal early programming took place on a military
    installation. That's not uncommon. I've treated and been involved with
    cases who are part of this original mind-control project as well as
    having their programming on military reservations in many cases. We find
    a lot of connections with the CIA. This patient now was in a Cult
    school, a private Cult school where several of these sessions occurred a
    week.

    She would go into a room, [REDACTED]. They would do all of these sorts
    of things. When she was in the proper altered state, now they were no
    longer having to [REDACTED]. Sometimes they'll be on other parts of the
    body. They will then begin and they would say to her, [REDACTED]. They
    would say the same thing until she complied and didn't make any negative
    response.

    Then they would continue. [REDACTED]. They repeated again, "Do you
    understand?" [REDACTED] again until they get compliance. Then they keep
    adding to it. "[REDACTED]" Maybe she'd say yes, but they might say, "We
    don't believe you" and [REDACTED] They would continue in this sort of
    fashion.

    She said typically it seemed as though they'd go about thirty minutes,
    take a break for a smoke or something, come back. They may review what
    they'd done and stopped or they might review what they'd done and go on
    to new material. She said the sessions might go half an hour, they might
    go three hours. She estimated three times a week. Programming [REDACTED]
    associated with right hemisphere non-dominant brain functioning, and
    with them talking, therefore, and requiring intense concentration,
    intense focusing. Because often they'll have to [REDACTED], and other
    kinds of things that are occurring. This is basically how a lot of
    programming goes on.

    Some of it'll also use other typical brainwashing kinds of techniques.
    There will be very standardized types of hypnotic things done at times.
    There'll be [REDACTED] which we know increases suggestibility in anyone.
    [REDACTED] suggestibility has significantly increased, from the
    research. It's not uncommon for them to use a great deal of that,
    including [REDACTED] before they do certain of these things. [Pause]

    Now let me give you, because we don't have a lot of time, as much
    practical information as I can. The way that I would inquire as to
    whether or not some of this might be there would be with ideomotor
    finger-signals. After you've set them up I would say, "I want the
    central inner core of you to take control of the finger-signals." Don't
    ask the unconscious mind. The case where you're inquiring about ritual
    abuse, that's for the central inner core. The core is a Cult-created
    part.

    "And I want that central inner core of you to take control of this hand
    of these finger-signals and what it has for the yes-finger to float up.
    I want to ask the inner core of you is there any part of you, any part
    of Mary," that's the host's name, "who knows anything about [REDACTED]"
    If you get a Yes, it should raise a red flag that you might have someone
    with formal intensive brainwashing and programming in place. I would
    then ask and say, "I want a part inside who knows something about
    [REDACTED] to come up to a level where you can speak to me and when
    you're here say, 'I'm here.'"

    I would not ask if a part was willing to. No one's going to particularly
    want to talk about this. I would just say, "I want some part who can
    tell me about this to come out." Without leading them ask them what
    these things are. I've had consults where I've come in. Sometimes I've
    gotten a Yes to that, but as I've done exploration it appeared to be
    some kind of compliance response or somebody wanting, in two or three
    cases, to appear maybe that they were ritual abuse and maybe they were
    in some way, but with careful inquiry and looking it was obvious that
    they did not have what we were looking for. Let me tell you what these
    are.

    Let's suppose that this whole front row here are multiples and that she
    has an alter named Helen and she has one named Mary, she has one named
    Gertrude, she has one named Elizabeth, and she has one named Monica.
    Every one of those alters may have put on it a program, perhaps
    designated [REDACTED] a Cult person could say, "[REDACTED]" or make some
    kind of hand gesture to indicate this and get the same part out in any
    one of them even though they had different names that they may be known
    by to you.

    [REDACTED] appear to represent general programming, the first kind of
    things put in. [REDACTED] appear to be sexual programs. For example, how
    to perform oral sex in a certain way, how to perform sex in rituals,
    having to do with producing child pornography, directing child
    pornography, prostitution. [REDACTED] are killers trained in how to kill
    in ceremonies. There'll also be some self-harm stuff mixed in with that,
    assassination and killing. [REDACTED] are called [REDACTED]. You know, I
    had never in my life heard those two terms paired together.

    I'd never heard the words "[REDACTED]" put together, but when you have
    people in different states, including therapists inquiring and asking,
    "What is [REDACTED]," and patients say to them, "[REDACTED]," it tends
    to make one a believer that certain things are very systematic and very
    widespread. This comes from their belief in [REDACTED]. It also is a
    more future-oriented kind of programming.

    Then there's [REDACTED]. I usually don't include that word when I say my
    first question about this or any part inside that knows about [REDACTED]
    will shake them even more. [REDACTED] has to do with self-destruct
    programming. [REDACTED]. This can include [REDACTED] programming.
    [REDACTED] appears to be system-protection and deception programming
    which will provide misinformation to you, try to misdirect you, tell you
    half-truths, protect different things inside. There can also be other
    [REDACTED].

    I'd recommend that you go and get your entire [REDACTED] and if you have
    verified that some of this stuff is present and they have given you some
    of the right answers about what some of this material is, and I can't
    underline enough: DO NOT LEAD THEM. Do not say, "[REDACTED]?" Get the
    answer from them, please. When you've done this and it appears to be
    present, I would take your entire [REDACTED] and, with ideomotor
    signals, go through the [REDACTED] and say, "Is there any programming
    inside associated with [REDACTED]," and go on through. There may be some
    sytematicness to some of the other [REDACTED], but I'm not aware of it.

    I've found, for example, in one case that [REDACTED] had to do with the
    production of snuff films that this person was involved with. With
    another person, [REDACTED] had to do with their linkage and associations
    with drug smuggling and with the Mafia and with big business and
    government leaders. So there's going to be some individualism, I think,
    in some of those. Some of those are come-home programs, "come back to
    the Cult", "return to the Cult" program.

    Here's the flaw in the system. They have built in shut-down and erasure
    codes so if they got into trouble they could shut something down and
    they could also erase something. These codes will sometimes be
    idiosyncratic phrases, or ditties. Sometimes they will be numbers maybe
    followed by a word. There's some real individuality to that. At first I
    had hoped if we can get some of these maybe they'll work with different
    people. No such luck. It's very unlikely unless they were programmed at
    about the same point in time as part of the same little group.

    Stuff that I've seen suggests that they carry laptop computers, the
    programmers, which still include everything that they did twenty, thirty
    years ago in them in terms of the names of alters, the programs, the
    codes, and so on. Now what you can do is get erasure codes, and I always
    ask, "If I say this code, what will happen?' Doublecheck. "Is there any
    part inside who has different information?" Watch your ideomotor signals
    and what I've found is you can erase programs by giving the appropriate
    codes, but then you must abreact the feelings.

    So if you erase [REDACTED], which is often where I've started because
    it's the most high risk. Afterwards I will get all the [REDACTED], what
    were formerly [REDACTED] alters, together so that we will abreact and
    give back to the host the memories associated with all the programming
    that was done with [REDACTED] and anything any [REDACTED] part ever had
    to do in a fractionated abreaction. They use the metaphor -- and it is
    their metaphor -- [REDACTED]. and it is like a [REDACTED] comes down
    over the child alter to make them [REDACTED].

    Once in a while internally you'll confront [REDACTED]. What I found from
    earlier work, and so I speed the process up now because I confirmed it
    enough times, is that you can say to the core, "Core, I want you to look
    -- there's [REDACTED]." I just ask it very non-leading like that and
    what's commonly said to me is that there were [REDACTED].

    So I'll tell them, "[REDACTED] and give me a yes-signal when you've done
    it." Pretty soon you get a yes-signal. "Great. Now that [REDACTED] and
    tell me what you see." It's generally [REDACTED]. I have them
    [REDACTED]. I do a little hypnotic magic and ask the core to use
    [REDACTED]. They're usually quite amazed that this works, as have been a
    number of therapists. [Pause]

    Now there are many different layers of this stuff is the problem. Let me
    come over to the overhead and give some ideas about them. What we have
    up here are innumerable alters. I'll tell you one of the fascinating
    things I've seen. I remember a little over a year ago coming in to see
    some cases, some of the tough cases at a dissociative-disorders unit of
    a couple of the finest of the MPD therapists in this country, who are
    always part of all the international meetings, have lectured
    internationally. We worked and I look at some of their patients. They
    were amazed at certain things because they had not been aware of this
    before.

    As we worked with some of the patients and confirmed it, I remember one
    woman who'd been inpatient for three years, still was inpatient. Another
    who had one intensive year of inpatient work with all the finest MPD
    therapy you can imagine -- abreactions, integrations, facilitating
    cooperation, art therapy, on and on and on, journaling, intensively for
    one inpatient year followed by an intensive year of outpatient therapy
    two, three hours a week. In both patients we found out that all of this
    great work had done nothing but deal with the alters up here and had not
    touched the mind-control programming.

    In fact it was not only intact, but we found that the one who was
    outpatient was [REDACTED], and that she still had intact suggestions
    that had been give to her [REDACTED]. Now one of the things that I would
    very carefully check is, I would suggest that you ask the core, not just
    the unconscious mind, ask the core, "[REDACTED]? Is there [REDACTED],"
    if that's the host's name, "[REDACTED]?"

    This doesn't mean they're monitored. Many of them just simply have it.
    "Is there [REDACTED]?" I have the very uncomfortable feeling from some
    past experience that when you look at this you will find the large
    proportion of ritual-abuse victims in this country are having
    [REDACTED].

    I remember a woman who came in about twenty-four years old, claimed her
    father was a Satanist. Her parents divorced when she was six. After that
    it would only when her father had visitation and he would take her to
    rituals sometimes up until age fifteen. She said, "I haven't gone to
    anything since I was fifteen." Her therapist believed this at face
    value. We sat in my office. We did a two-hour inquiry using hypnosis. We
    found the programming present. In addition to that we found that every
    therapy session was debriefed and in fact they had told her to get sick
    and not come to the appointment with me. Another one had been told that
    I was Cult and that if she came I would know that she'd been told not to
    come and I would punish her. If anything meaningful comes out in a
    patient who's being monitored like that -- from what I've learned thus
    far, [REDACTED] -- my belief is if they're in that situation you can't
    do meaningful therapy other than being supportive and caring and letting
    them know you care a lot and you'll be there to support them.

    But I wouldn't try to work with any kind of deep material or
    deprogramming with them because I think it can do nothing but get them
    tortured and hurt unless they can get into a safe, secure inpatient unit
    for an extended period of time to do some of the work required. I have a
    feeling that when you make inquiries you're going to find that probably
    greater than fifty percent of these patients, if they're bloodline,
    meaning mother or dad or both involved, will be monitored on some
    ongoing basis. [Pause]

    Now when you come below the alters, you then have [REDACTED], so and so
    forth, the [REDACTED] programming and they will then have backup
    programs. There will typically be an erasure code for the backups. There
    may be one code that combines all the backups into one and then an
    erasure code for them, simply one code that erases all the backups. So I
    will get the code for, let's say, [REDACTED] and for all the [REDACTED]
    backups at the same time. After I've asked "What will happen if I give
    this," I will give the code and then I will say, "What are you
    experiencing?" They often describe [REDACTED], all sorts of interesting
    things. I've had some therapists come back and say, "My Lord, I had
    never said anything about [REDACTED]."

    I remember one therapist who'd been with me in several hypnosis
    workshops and consulted with me about a crisis MPD situation. I told her
    to inquire about [REDACTED]. She did. She got back to me saying, "Yeah,
    I got an indication it's there. What is it?" I said, "I'm not going to
    tell you. Go back and inquire about some of this." We set an appointment
    for a week or so hence. She got back with me and said, "I asked what
    [REDACTED] was and she said, '[REDACTED].' I asked her what [REDACTED]
    was and she said '[REDACTED].'" Okay.

    So I told her about some of this stuff for a two-hour consult. She
    called back and she said, "This seemed too fantastic. I heard this and I
    thought, 'Has Cory been working too hard?'" she said, I'm embarrassed to
    admit it, but she said, "I held you in high professional regard, but
    this just sounded so off in the twilight zone that I really thought, 'Is
    he having a nervous breakdown or something?'" She said, "But I respected
    you enough to ask [my patient] about this." She said, "I asked another
    MPD patient and she didn't have any of this." So in this patient she
    started describing things and how she worked, for example, with an
    erasure and she was describing things like [REDACTED] and kinds of
    things. She said, "I hadn't told her about any of these things." Well,
    here's the problem. There are different layers and I think some of them
    are designed to keep us going in circles forever. They figured we
    probably, in most cases, wouldn't get below the alters which they
    purposefully created.

    The way you create Manchurian Candidates is you divide the mind. It's
    part of what the Intelligence Community wanted to look at. If you're
    going to get an assassin, you're going to get somebody to go do
    something, you divide the mind. It fascinates me about cases like the
    assassination of Robert Kennedy, where Bernard Diamond, on examining
    Sirhan Sirhan found that he had total amnesia of the killing of Robert
    Kennedy, but under hypnosis could remember it. But despite suggestions
    he would be able to consciously remember, could not remember a thing
    after was out of hypnosis. I'd love to examine Sirhan Sirhan.

    It appears that below this we've got some other layers. One is called
    "[REDACTED]" it appears. Isn't it interesting that [REDACTED]? One of
    the questions in a way that does not contaminate is after I've
    identified some of this stuff is there and they've given me a few right
    answers about what some of it is, "If there were a doctor associated
    with this programming and [REDACTED]?" Now once in a while I've had some
    [REDACTED] in about three or four patients that I felt were trying to
    dissimulate in some way and I don't really believe had this. In one case
    I got [REDACTED] and I found out later it was a doctor [REDACTED] who
    was being trained [REDACTED] almost thirty years ago and he supervised
    part of the programming of this woman under this doctor.

    I remember one woman couldn't come up with anything. No alter would
    speak up with anything. I said, "Okay," and we went on to some other
    material. About two minutes later she said, "[REDACTED]?" We found this
    all over. There appears to be some [REDACTED] below that and I suspect
    that you get down to fewer and more central programs the deeper you go.
    Well, all [REDACTED] is mixed all into this. If you're going to work
    with this you need to pick up a couple of books on [REDACTED]. One is by
    a man named [REDACTED]. Another is by [REDACTED].

    I knew nothing about [REDACTED]. It was interesting. A patient had sat
    in my waiting area, got there considerably early and drew a detailed
    [REDACTED] over two years ago. It took me two months to figure out what
    it was. Finally, showing it to somebody else who said, "You know? That
    looks an awful lot like [REDACTED]" and that rang a bell with some
    esoteric in an old book and I dug it out. That was the background
    [REDACTED].

    Now the interesting thing about the [REDACTED]. I've also had patients
    who didn't appear to know that [REDACTED], volunteered that there were
    parts inside named [REDACTED]. Now let me give you some information
    about parts inside that may be helpful to you if you're going to inquire
    about these things, because my experience is one part will give you some
    information and either run dry or get defensive or scared and stop. and
    so you punt and you make an end run and you come around the other
    direction, you find another part.

    I'll tell you several parts to ask for and ask if there's a part by this
    name. And, by the way, when I'm screening patients and fiddling around
    with this, I throw in a bunch of spurious ones and ask, "Is there a part
    inside by this name and by that name" as a check on whether or not it
    appears genuine. For example. "In addition to the core," I ask, "is
    there a part inside named [REDACTED], I've often found, will be helpful
    and give you a lot of information. "Is there a part inside named
    [REDACTED]?" I mean I may throw in all sorts of things. "Is there a part
    inside named [REDACTED]?" I've never encountered one yet! Just to see
    what kind of answers we get. I try to do this carefully. [REDACTED] is a
    part that, [REDACTED], is associated with a part called [REDACTED].

    You will be fascinated to know that. Remember [REDACTED]? A lot of
    prominent people in Hollywood were associated and then they went
    underground, the books say, in about seventy-eight and vanished? Well,
    they're alive and well in southern Utah. We have a thick file in the
    Utah Department of Public Safety documenting that they moved to southern
    Utah, north of Monument Valley, bought a movie ranch in the desert,
    renovated it, expanded it, built a bunch of buildings there, carefully
    monitored so that very few people go out of there and no one can get in
    and changed their name.

    A key word in their name is [REDACTED]. There are some other words.
    [REDACTED]. So you can ask, "Is there something inside known as
    [REDACTED]?" I might ask other things to throw people off. "Is there
    something known as the [REDACTED]?" Well, maybe they'll conceive of
    something. Or "Is there something known as [REDACTED]?" There are a
    variety of questions you can come up with, to sort of screen some
    things. I've also found that there will often be a part called
    "[REDACTED]" and that there will be [REDACTED]. How many of you have
    come into [REDACTED]?

    There will typically be [REDACTED]. Sometimes they'll have numbers
    instead, sometimes they'll be called [REDACTED]. You can find out the
    head one of those. There'll be a source of some information for you. I
    will ask inside, "Is there a part inside named [REDACTED]?" You'll find
    that there are, if they have this kind of programming, in my experience.
    Usually with a little work and reframing, you can turn them and help
    them to realize that they were really a child-part who's playing a role
    and they had no choice then, but they do now.

    You know, they played their role very, very well, but they don't have to
    continue to play it with you because they're safe here and in fact, "If
    the Cult simply found out that you talked to me, that they [find out]
    you had shared information with me, you tell me what would they do to
    you?" Emphasize that the only way out is through me and that they need
    to cooperate and share information and help me and that I'll help them.
    So all these parts can give you various information. Now they have tried
    to protect this very carefully. Let me give you an example with
    [REDACTED]. I discovered this -- by the way I used to think this
    programming was only in bloodline people. I've discovered it in
    non-bloodline people, but it's a bit different.

    They don't want it to be just the same. I don't think you'll find deep
    things like [REDACTED] with non-bloodline people. But let me tell you
    something that I discovered first in a non-bloodline and then in a
    bloodline. We were going along and a patient was close to getting well,
    approaching final integration in a non-bloodline and she suddenly
    started hallucinating and [REDACTED] and other things like that.

    So I used an affect-bridge and we went back and we found that what
    happened was that they gave suggestions, that if she ever got
    [REDACTED]. The way they did this was they strapped her down and they
    [REDACTED] so they could utilize them in good Ericsonian fashion and
    build on them and then combine [REDACTED]. "If you ever get to this
    point [REDACTED]. If you ever get fully integrated and get well
    [REDACTED]. They gave those suggestions vigorously and repetitively.
    Finally they introduced other suggestions that, "[REDACTED]." In a
    bloodline patient then, as I began inquiring about deep material, the
    patient started to experience similar symptoms. We went back and we
    found the identical things were done to her.

    This was called the "[REDACTED]. Lots of interesting internal
    consistencies like that play on words with [REDACTED]. Now in this case
    it was done to her at age nine for the first time and then only hers was
    different. Hers was a suggestion for amnesia. "If you ever remember
    anything about [REDACTED]." Then finally the suggestions added,
    "[REDACTED], if you ever remember it." At age twelve then, three years
    later, they used what sounds like an Amytol interview to try to breach
    the amnesia and find out if they could. They couldn't.

    So then they strapped her down again, took and gave her something to
    kind of paralyze her body, [REDACTED] and reinforced all the
    suggestions. Did a similar thing at the age of sixteen. So these are
    some of the kind of booby traps you run into. There are a number of
    cases where they [REDACTED] suggestions to keep us from discovering some
    of this deeper level stuff. What's the bottom? Your guess is as good as
    mine but I can tell you that I've had a lot of therapists who were
    stymied with these cases who were going nowhere. In fact someone here
    that I told some basic information about this to in Ohio a couple of
    months ago said it opened all sorts of things up in a patient who'd been
    going nowhere. That's an often common thing.

    I think that we can move down to deeper levels and if we deal with some
    of the deeper level stuff it may destroy all the stuff above it. But we
    don't even know that yet. In some of the patients I'm working with we
    have pretty much dealt with a lot of the top-level stuff. I'll tell you
    how we've done some of that. We'll take and erase one system like
    [REDACTED]. Then we will have a huge abreaction of all the memories and
    feelings in a fractionated abreaction associated with those parts. I
    typically find I'll say to them, "Now that we've done this are there any
    other memories and feelings that any parts that were [REDACTED]?" The
    answer's usually "No." At that point I will say, "I usually find at this
    point in time the majority, if not all, of those parts that [REDACTED]
    no longer feel a desire or need to be different, realizing that you
    split off originally by them and want to go home to Mary and become one
    with her again."

    I use the concept often now -- which came from a patient -- of going
    home and becoming one with her. "Going back from whence you came" is
    another phrase I'll use with them. "Are there any [REDACTED] inside who
    do not feel comfortable with that or have reservations or concerns about
    that?" If there are we talk to them. We deal with them. A few may not
    integrate. My experience is most of the time they'll integrate and we
    may integrate twenty-five parts at once in a polyfragmented complex MPD.
    I think it is vitally important to abreact the feelings before you go
    on.

    Also for many patients it hasn't seemed to matter the order we go in but
    I've found a couple where it has. If it doesn't seem to matter I'll
    typically go [REDACTED], then [REDACTED] because they have more violence
    potential, then [REDACTED] to get rid of the self-deception stuff. What
    I will do before I just assume anything and do that, is once we've done
    [REDACTED] and showed them that success can occur and something can
    happen and they feel relief after, I will say to them, "I want to ask
    the core -- through the fingers -- is there a specific order in which
    programs must be erased?" You know maybe it doesn't matter but most of
    the time I found "No." There are cases where we found "Yes." I recommend
    doing one or two or three of those because they'll produce relief and
    and a sense of optimism in the patient. But then I would recommend
    starting to probe for the deeper level things and getting their input
    and recommendations about the order in which we go. Question?

    Q: What has been the typical age and typical gender of this type of
    person?

    Dr.H: I know of this being found in men and women. Most of the patients
    I know with MPD ritual abuse that are being treated are women, however.
    I know of some men being treated where we've found this. A while back I
    was talking to a small group of therapists somewhere. I told them about
    some of this. In the middle of talking about some of this all the color
    drained out of one social worker's face and she obviously had a reaction
    and I asked her about and she said, "I'm working with a five-year-old
    boy," and she said, "Just in the last few weeks he was saying something
    about [REDACTED]." I went on a little further and I mentioned some of
    these things and she just shook her head again. I said, "What's going
    on?" She said, "He's been spontaneously telling me about [REDACTED]." I
    think you will find variations of this and that they've changed it,
    probably every few years and maybe somewhat regionally to throw us off
    in various ways but that certain basics and fundamentals will probably
    be there. I have seen this in people up into their forties including
    people whose parents were very, very high in the CIA, other sorts of
    things like that. I've had some that were originally part of the Monarch
    Project which is the name of the government Intelligence project.

    Question in the back?

    Q: I'm still not grasping how one starts, how you find out how to erase.
    How do you get that information?

    Dr.H: I would say, "I want the core, if necessary, using the telepathic
    communication ability you have to read minds," because they believe in
    that kind of stuff, "so I'll use it..." I was trained in Ericsonian
    stuff, "...to obtain for me the erasure code of [REDACTED]. When you've
    done so, I want the yes-finger to float up." Then I ask them to tell it
    to me. "Are there backups for [REDACTED] programs?" "Yes." "Okay? How
    many backups are there?" "Six," they say, let's say. It's different
    numbers. "Is there an erasure code for all the backup programs?" "No."
    "Is there an erasure code that combines all the backups into one?"
    "Yes." "Obtain that code for me and when you've go it give me the
    yes-signal again." It can move almost that fast in some cases where
    there's not massive resistance.

    Question?

    Q: Yes, can you tell me what you know about the risks to the therapist?
    [Laughter]

    Dr.H: You would have to ask.

    Q: Yeah, I'd like to know that. What kind of data do you have given that
    you've had contact with large numbers of people. Not just threats but
    also any injury, any family problems that have arisen. That's one
    question. A second one is are you aware of anybody that you've treated
    -- or others -- with this level of dissociation and trauma that have
    recovered? Integrated? Whole and happy?

    Dr.H: Okay, I have one non-bloodline multiple, complex multiple who had
    this kind of programming where they have a lot of access to the patient
    as neighbors and where the doctor, by the way, you'll find physicians
    heavily involved. They've encouraged their own to go to medical school,
    to prescribe drugs to take care of their own, to get access to medical
    technology and be above suspicion. There have been a couple, in fact, in
    Utah who've been nailed now. We now in Utah have two full time
    ritual-abuse investigators with statewide jurisdiction under the
    Attorney General's Office to do nothing but investigate this. [Applause]

    Okay? In a poll done in the State of Utah in January by the major
    newspaper and television station, they found that ninety percent of
    Utahans believe that ritual abuse is genuine and real. Not all of them
    believe it's a frequent occurrence but some of that was imparted from
    two years of work by the Governor Commission on Ritual Abuse,
    interviewing, talking, meeting people, gathering data. Now when people
    say, by the way, "There's no evidence. They've never found a body,"
    that's baloney. They found a body in Idaho of a child. They've had a
    case last summer that was convicted on first-degree murder charges, two
    people that the summer before that were arrested where the teenaged
    girl's finger and head were in the refrigerator and they were convicted
    of first-degree murder in Detroit. There have been cases and bodies.

    Back to risk. I know of no therapist who's been harmed. But patients
    inform us that [REDACTED] who's not active. If that would come about is
    speculative. Who knows for sure? Maybe, but I don't think it's entirely
    without risk.

    A question in the back?

    Q: It seems to me that there seems to be some similarity between these
    kinds of programming and those people who claim that they've been
    abducted by spaceships and have had themselves physically probed and
    reprogrammed and all of that sort of thing. Since Cape Canaveral is
    across the Florida peninsula from me and I don't think that they've
    reported any spaceships lately, I was just wondering is there any sort
    of relationship between this and that?

    Dr.H: I'll share my speculation, that comes from others really. I've not
    dealt with any of those people. However, I know a therapist that I know
    and trust and respect who I've informed about all this a couple of years
    ago and has found it in a lot of patients and so on, who is firmly of
    the belief that those people are in fact ritual-abuse victims who have
    been programmed with that sort of thing to destroy all their
    credibility. If somebody's coming in and reporting abduction by a flying
    saucer who's going to believe them on anything else in the future? Also
    as a kind of thing that can be pointed to and said, "This is as
    ridiculous as that."

    All I know is that I recently had a consult, a telephone consult, with a
    therapist where I had been instructing her about some of this kind of
    stuff. When we were consulting at one point in the fifth or sixth
    interview she said, "By the way, do you know anything about this topic?"
    I said, "Well, not really" and shared with her what I shared with you. I
    said, "If it were me being with this guy..." that she'd been seeing for
    a couple of months, I said, "I would ask inside for the core to take
    control of finger-signals and inquire about [REDACTED]." She proceeded
    to do all that, got back to me a week later and said, "Boy, were you on
    target. There is a part inside [REDACTED]. There's this kind of
    programming."

    Yes?

    Q: What's the difference between this kind of program and cult-type
    abuse and Satanic abuse in the kind of cults with the candles and the...

    Dr.H: This type of programming will be done in the cults with the
    candles and all the rest. My impression is this is simply done in people
    where they have great access to them or they're bloodline and their
    parents are in it and they can be raised in it from an early age. If
    they are bloodline they are the chosen generation. If not, they're
    expendable and they are expected to die and not get well. There will be
    booby traps in your way if they aren't non-bloodline people that when
    they get well they will kill themselves. I'll tell you just a little
    about that. My belief is that some people that have ritual abuse and
    don't have this have been ritually abused but they may be may be part of
    a non-mainstream group.

    The Satanism comes in the overall philosophy overriding all of this.
    People say, "What's the purpose of it?" My best guess is that the
    purpose of it is that they want an army of Manchurian Candidates, ten of
    thousands of mental robots who will do prostitution, do child
    pornography, smuggle drugs, engage in international arms smuggling, do
    snuff films, all sorts of very lucrative things and do their bidding and
    eventually the megalomaniacs at the top believe they'll create a Satanic
    Order that will rule the world. One last question. Then I'll give you
    couple of details and we need to shift gears.

    Q: You have suggested and implied that at some point at a high level of
    the U.S. Government there was support of this kind of thing. I know
    we're short of time, but could you just say a few words about the
    documentation that may exist for that suggestion?

    Dr.H: There isn't great documentation of it. It comes from victims who
    are imperiled witnesses. The interesting thing is how many people have
    described the same scenario and how many people that we have worked with
    who have had relatives in NASA, in the CIA and in the Military,
    including very high-ups in the Military. I can tell you that a friend
    and colleague of mine who has probably the equivalent of half the table
    space on that far side of the room filled with boxes with declassified
    documents from mind-control research done in the past which has been
    able to be declassified over a considerable -- couple of decades --
    period and has read more government documents about mind control than
    anyone else, has a brief that has literally been sent in the past week
    and a half asking for all information to be declassified about the
    Monarch Project for us to try to find out more.

    Now let me just mention something about some of the stuff that my
    experience is in several patients now that you may run into late in the
    process. I know I'm throwing a lot at you in a hurry. Some of it is
    completely foreign and some of you may think, "Gosh, could any of this
    be true?" Just, you know, ask. Find out in your patients and you may be
    lucky and there isn't any of this. Somewhere at a deep level you may run
    into some things like this. Let me describe to you, if I can find my
    pen, the system in one patient. One patient I had treated for quite a
    while, a non-bloodline person. We had done what appeared to be
    successful work and reached final integration. She came back to me early
    last year and said she was symptomatic with some things.

    I started inquiring. I found a part there we'd integrated. The part
    basically said, "There was other stuff that I couldn't tell you about
    and you integrated me and so I had to split off." I had done some
    inquiring about things like [REDACTED] as a routine part of it and found
    they were there and I said to this part, "Why didn't you tell me about
    this stuff?" She said, "Well, we gave you some hints but they went right
    over your head." Says, "I'm sorry, but we know that you didn't know
    enough to help us but now we know you can." So the stuff started coming
    out. It was interesting. She described the overall system -- if I can
    remember it now -- as being like this. The [REDACTED], other kinds of
    things.

    Each of the [REDACTED] represented still another different system. She
    said, "With the exception of me," this one part, "you dealt with the
    whole circle with the work that we did before but you didn't touch the
    rest of the stuff." Okay. In the middle of all this was still another
    system consisting of [REDACTED], which some of you are aware, looks
    approximately like this with lines in between and so on and so forth.
    There's a rough approximation. That represented another system. Then
    once we got past that she implied that this entire thing was somehow
    encompassed by, what do you call it, [REDACTED].

    I kept thinking we were at final integration then I'd find some other
    parts. This person had an eagle- eye husband that was watching for
    certain things that we found to be reliable indicators. So often I would
    get evidence of dissociation within a few days. It would suddenly be
    picked up. You know, what we found was I continued to find evidence of
    dissociation and I'd find parts. Finally this part, as I got angry with
    him and said, "Why when I give these ideomotor inquiries am I getting
    lied to?" This part said, "Because you don't understand. You're going to
    get us all killed."

    We started talking and then she basically said, "It's been programmed so
    that if you succeed and think you've succeeded, you will fail. They
    build it in as a way to laugh at you, that if you ever get us
    integrated, we will die." Here's what she said, this part said, "I'm
    [REDACTED]," and I've seen this in others, [REDACTED] each of whom had
    to memorize [REDACTED] kind of premises, philosophies of life like
    "[REDACTED]," on and on and on. There may be two or three sentences like
    that associated with each that they had to memorize them.

    They said, "[REDACTED]" after awakening unless certain things were
    followed and we did some of those. Well we also found [REDACTED] as a
    backup, used with mirrors to create the sister part. We had to get past
    and deal with that too. [REDACTED] had certain things that they said had
    to be done to integrate.

    I started to say, "Oh, come on, they lied to you before." She said,
    "Wait a minute. This what they said you'd say. They said that no doctor
    would ever believe that they had to go these extremes to get us well and
    that's part of the reason they'd fail." I said, "Well, tell me, tell me
    again." She said, "I have to [REDACTED]. I have to have [REDACTED]. It
    has to [REDACTED] after this part's been awakened." I said what I'd have
    to lose? I had a psychiatrist give her a little Demerol. We used the
    code. My office didn't have any windows anyway. It was pretty easy.

    Oh, and there had to be [REDACTED]. Well, fine. So we did it and
    everything went well. Maybe it would have gone well if we hadn't done
    it, but I decided not to take the chance and to trust the patient maybe.
    Well, so we go on and then we find another part. There's [REDACTED] that
    we had to get through. In fact, I think there were two backups there.
    Interestingly, the very last part was an extremely nice part, made
    especially that way so that they wouldn't want to lose them because they
    would be so adorable and so loving and so sweet that they wouldn't want
    to maybe get rid of them.

    Then we found that she continued to have these feelings with this last
    part left now of darkness and blackness inside. What did we find?
    [REDACTED]. She said, "They assumed that if you ever got to this point,
    you would," and along the way, by the way, we had encountered this stuff
    about the LSD stuff, the [REDACTED]. The message was that she said,
    "[REDACTED]. It has to opened this way," that it can't be opened. They
    assumed that you would try to deal with all the feelings. That can't be
    opened until you've dealt with that last part and they've integrated.

    So far it looks like we've got integration that's holding. So I found
    [REDACTED] this patient informed me, "[REDACTED]." I've heard variously
    that it's [REDACTED] in bloodline people. By the way, you can do real
    simple things like turn the [REDACTED], so time stands still to be able
    to do certain kinds of work. [REDACTED]. Got that idea from a
    ritual-abuse victim who had seen some of this kind of programming done
    that another therapist was seeing.

    So those would be just a few other hints about things that may be
    helpful or meaningful. We're talking about very intensive things and at
    deep levels to to me this give us two things. One thing it gives to me
    is hope because it gets to material and it makes progress like nothing
    else we've ever seen with these people who have it. The second thing it
    does for me is it demoralizes me, too, because although three years ago
    I had a pretty good idea about the extent and breadth of what they'd one
    to these victims, I had no real appreciation for the depth and breadth
    and intensity of what they'd done.

    I want to come back to the other question over here now. The other
    question is how many of them can get well? We don't know. In most things
    in the mental health profession we accept two-thirds of the patients are
    going to improve, maybe seventy percent. There's very little we can get
    everybody well. I think one of the sad things we have to face is that
    many of these patients will probably never be well. My personal belief
    is that if they are being messed with their only hope of getting well is
    if they can somehow get out of contact. Now I know patients who've gone
    to other states and simply had deep- level alters pick up the phone and
    call and said, "This is our new address and phone number" so that they
    could be picked up locally.

    I mean in an inpatient unit for an extended period of time. If they are
    in a Cult from their area and they are still being monitored and messed
    with, my own personal opinion is we can't get them well and can't offer
    more than humanitarian caring and supportiveness. Lots of therapists do
    not like to hear that. That's my opinion. I believe that if somehow
    they're lucky enough to be wealthy enough to have protection, to have
    somehow gotten away in some way and we can work with them without being
    messed with, that they have a chance to reach some semblance of
    normality and livability with enough intensive work. My own personal
    belief is I don't think anybody with this kind of programming is well in
    this country yet. There are some who are well along the way. I've got a
    couple who are well along in their work and have done a tremendous
    amount, but they're clearly not well yet.

    Q: Could you speculate on the relationship between this stuff and the
    fantasy games that have been proliferating, Dungeons and Dragons and
    that sort of thing?

    Dr.H: Well, there are a lot of things out there to cue people. You want
    to see a great movie, interesting movie, to cue people? Go see
    "[REDACTED]." You can rent it in your video shop. Came out last fall.
    One night in sheer desperation for something at the video store, you
    know? Nine o'clock on Friday night. Everything's gone. I rented a couple
    of movies and one of them is that. Fascinating. They're talking about
    [REDACTED]. Yes, "[REDACTED]." And who is the production company?
    [REDACTED]. I couldn't see much cuing in "[REDACTED]," but who's the
    production company in "[REDACTED]"? [REDACTED]. There are lots of things
    around that are cuing.

    There's an interesting person in the late sixties who talked about the
    Illuminati. Have any of you ever heard of the Illuminati with regard to
    the Cult? Had a patient bring that up to me just about exactly two years
    ago. We've now had other stuff come out from other patients. Appears to
    be the name of the international world leadership. There appear to be
    Illuminatic Counsels in several parts of the world and one
    internationally. The name of the international leadership of the Cult
    supposedly. Is this true? well, I don't know. It's interesting we're
    getting some people who are trying to work without cuing who are saying
    some very similar things.

    There was an old guy in Hollywood in the late sixties who talked about
    the infiltration of Hollywood by the Illuminati. Certainly what some
    patients have said is all of this spook stuff, horror stuff, possession
    and everything else that's been popularized in the last twenty years in
    Hollywood is in order to soften up the public so that when a Satanic
    world order takes over, everyone will have been desensitized to so many
    of these things, plus to continually cue lots of people out there. is
    that true? Well, I can't definitely tell you that it is. What I can say
    is I now believe that ritual-abuse programming is widespread, is
    systematic, is very organized from highly esoteric information which is
    published nowhere, has not been on any book or talk show, that we have
    found all around this country and at least one foreign country.

    Let's take a couple of quick questions and we need to get on to other
    material. Yes?

    Q: Do you have any techniques for decreasing your level of uncertainty
    that a patient is or is not being still tampered with, "messed with," as
    you said?

    Dr.H: Just that I would ask several of the parts I've inquired about,
    Core, [REDACTED], several parts inside I would ask about these sorts of
    things and I will keep asking it. As you do additional work and get a
    bit further, I would ask again to find out. In the back?

    Q: I wonder if you've heard or you know of the Martin Luther Bloodline?

    Dr.H: The what?

    Q: Martin Luther Bloodline?

    Dr.H: I know nothing about Martin Luther Bloodline. I'll give you one
    other quick tip. Ask him about an identification code. There's an
    identification code that people have. It will involve [REDACTED]. It may
    involve [REDACTED] and it will usually involve [REDACTED]. It will
    usually involve [REDACTED].

    Q: I have seen a lot of the things you've been describing today in
    several patients. I wanted to ask you a question about [REDACTED]. You
    mentioned something about systems here. Are there [REDACTED]?

    Dr.H: There has been that described in some patients, yes, [REDACTED].

    Q: Could you say what that is or a little diagram?

    Dr.H: I don't think we know enough to know what it is, honestly. I think
    it may have to do with [REDACTED].

    Q: Have you ever had any evidence where any of these people have been
    tagged and there have been anything of their body-parts that might be
    related to this, private parts in particular?

    Dr.H: Well, there are certainly people that have had tattoos, that have
    had a variety of other kinds of things, some of which have been, you
    know, documented in cases, but I mean to say, well, maybe they did that
    to themselves or had it done consciously to really prove something, not
    that occurs to right off the bat. Let me just take this one last
    question back and we need to go on to other material because we're never
    going to get through it all. I'll just ask you to hold your question.

    Q: It's not a question but I wanted to say for myself, personally, and
    perhaps for others here as well, I wanted to thank you very sincerely
    for taking this time to come forward. [Applause]

    Dr.H: Well, [Applause]

    Q: Does anyone want to join us for a standing ovation for this material?
    It's wonderful. [Sustained applause]

    Dr.H: A dear friend who's one of the top people in the field, who I know
    has had death threats, but I know struggled for professional credibility
    in believing in MPD and was harshly criticized for even believing in
    that ten and fifteen years ago, and struggled to a point of professional
    credibility. I think in his heart of hearts he knows it's true, but he
    will say things like, "I wouldn't be surprised to find tomorrow it was
    an international conspiracy and I wouldn't be surprised to find tomorrow
    that it is an urban myth and rumor." He tries to stay right on the fence
    and the reason is because it's controversial, because there is a
    campaign underway saying these all false memories induced by, along with
    incest and everything else, by "Oprah" and by books like "The Courage to
    Heal" and by naive therapists using hypnosis. It's controversial.

    My personal opinion has come to be if they're going to kill me, they're
    going to kill me. There's going to be an awful lot of information that's
    been put away that'll go to investigative reporters and multiple
    investigative agencies, if it happens, and an awful lot of people like
    you , I hope, that if I ever have an accident will be pushing for a very
    large-scale investigation. I think we have to stand up as some kind of
    moral conscience at some point and I tried to wait until we had gotten
    enough verification from independent places to have some real confidence
    that this was widespread. I know we've gone like a house afire to try to
    pack as much as I could in for you. I hope it's given you some things to
    think about and some new ideas and I appreciate being with you. [Long
    sustained applause]

    End Document

    Added commentary:  Researching Dr. Corydon reveals the existence of an
    False Memory Syndrome Foundation 'friendly' Web site (FMSF was
    founded/headed/staffed by former MK-ULTRA project heavyweights, chiefly
    to 'teach' professionals in the medical, media, and legal arenas that
    ritual abuse MC does not exist)