# Lloyd Schrier
CIA Foetal Victim

To contact Lloyd Schrier send email via Lynne Moss-Sharman:
lsharman@microage-tb.com

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> Toronto Globe and Mail Article
> Lynne Moss-Sharman's Letter

## Toronto Globe and Mail Article

Subject: CIA Foetal Victim Lloyd Schrier Canada

Globe & Mail Dec. 24, 1996 pp. A1 and A8 Henry Hess, Crime Reporter

### Money Denied to Man Treated in Womb

A man who was subjected to CIA-sponsored brainwashing experiments at a Montreal clinic while still in his mother's womb has been refused compensation on the grounds the treatment was not intended for him. A letter sent to Lloyd Schrier from Justice Allan Rock last week says a plan to compensate people subjected to the late Ewen Cameron's notorious depatterning treatment applies only to patients themselves. "As the Government of Canada does not accept any liability of negligence for the treatment given to patients of Dr. Cameron, we have limited this payment to former patients," the letter states. It concludes politely, "I hope you can understand the Government's position in this matter."

Mr. Schrier had appealed to Mr. Rock after a panel set up to administer the Allan Memorial Institute Depatterned Persons Assistance Plan twice rejected his application for compensation, ruling that, as a fetus, he didn't fit the definition of a depatterned person. At issue is whether or not Mr. Schrier fits the definition of a "former patient" of Dr. Cameron, a Montreal psychiatrist who experimented in the 1960's with a therapy that combined drug-induced sleep with repeated jolts of electroconvulsive therapy. In theory this would cure severely disturbed people by reducing their minds to an infantile state, thus wiping them clean of harmful memories. In practice, however, it left many subjects with permanent memory loss and lifelong problems.

Although Ottawa helped to pay for the experiments, which also were secretly financed by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, it has never admitted any liability for the trauma they caused. When it decided in late 1992 to settle a series of lawsuits from former patients by giving a one-time payment of $100,000 to anyone who could prove he or she had gone through the treatment, then Justice Minister Kim Campbell took pains to stipulate that the money was awarded on "compassionate and humanitarian" grounds.

Now 36 and living in Toronto, Mr. Schrier, with the backing of his father, argues that is precisely why he should be compensated. "If, as you state, the program was designed for payments to made on compassionate and humanitarian grounds to former patients, then I fail to see the reason for my exclusion," he wrote Dec. 20 in response to Mr. Rock's letter. "You state that the payment is limited to former patients. That is precisely why I am still pursuing the issue. Any jurist would tell you -- as you well know yourself -- that even in a fetal state, I was nevertheless a former patient. I was also undeniably subjected to those experiments."

He says the government's attempts to avoid responsibility are "just as reprehensible as being subjected to Dr. Cameron's barbaric administrations." Mr. Schrier's mother, who is among 77 people to have received the $100,000 payments, had been pregnant when she entered Dr. Cameron's clinic in February of 1960, with what he diagnosed as severe depression. Over the next seven months, clinical records show, even though Dr. Cameron knew she was pregnant, he prescribed a cocktail of barbituates and other sedatives and a barrage of electrical shocks. Treatments were suspended briefly in April, when she began bleeding and it appeared she might abort the fetus, but resumed and continued until August. She gave birth to Lloyd in September.

Mr. Rock's rationale for rejecting Mr. Schrier's claim appears to be at odds with that of a federal judge, who reached the same conclusion in February. In dismissing Mr. Schrier's application for judicial review of the panel's decision, Mr. Justice Yvon Pinard wrote: "Indeed, assuming that the applicant while he was a fetus was a patient of Dr. Cameron," any treatment he received could not have had the effect of reducing his mind to a childlike state -- the definition of a depatterned person -- since a fetus has not yet reached the state. Attempts to reach Mr. Rock for comment yesterday were unsuccessful. An assistant said the Minister was out of the country.

Gideon Koren, Director of Pediatric Pharmacology and Toxicology at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto, said in an earlier interview that it is silly to argue that Mr. Schrier was not Dr. Cameron's patient. "He may not have been a patient in the usual sense, but he received the treatment." Doctors now know that almost every drug a mother takes crosses the placenta and reaches the fetus, Dr. Koren said. And even in Dr. Cameron's day, there were warnings in medical journals about the hazards of electroshock therapy to a fetus. He said that while the effects on Mr. Schrier probably cannot be measured -- he scores within the normal range on physical and neurological tests -- there can be no doubt he was affected. "Mr. Schrier appears to be a bright fellow, but how do you know what he might have been?" Worst of all, Dr. Koren said, is that while adults who took part in the experiments had at least a potential benefit from the treatment, "this unborn baby was exposed to all the risks and none of the benefits."

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## Lynne Moss-Sharman's Letter
about Lloyd Schrier

From: Lynne Moss-Sharman lsharman@microage-tb.com
Subject: foetal survivor/mind control/Canada

Lloyd Schrier
AGE 36
Toronto
mother: A.S. pregnant patient of Dr. Ewen Cameron 1960

see Toronto Globe & Mail article [above] (December 24, 1996) crime reporter: Henry Hess apparently was also published in Miami Herald on or about December 27/28, 1996

I called Lloyd on Saturday December 28th after receiving an e-mail re: the above article -- he returned call on Sunday December 29th. Lloyd had received a letter from Federal Justice Minister Allan Rock denying compensation for the trauma enacted upon Lloyd in the foetal state when his mother was "treated" by Ewen Cameron with depatterning electroshock. Lloyd is going to appeal this decision, and his initial claim was supported by a Dr. Koren (sp) a foetal specialist at Toronto Sick Children's Hospital. Another article had appeared in The Globe & Mail around September 23, 24, 25 1996 and I will e-mail copies of both the recent article and the September one later today. (Library was closed yesterday.)

There are some records missing from his mother's file. Some chart reports were available, but daily observation notes on his mother's condition while under Ewen Cameron's "care" are missing from her file.

The Montreal Gazette (health writer: Jeff Heinrich) is producing an article on Lloyd's case. Both his father and mother (who is in her 60's) live in Montreal. Lloyd's father, Haskell Schrier, called me last night. He supports Lloyd's claim entirely ... and is interested in having the story more widely known. He is a very committed and compassionate man.

To those of you who have any articles/research references on induced pre-natal trauma, could you please forward them to me? I told both Lloyd and Haskell I would find what I could for them. All I have is my memory of hearing the two doctors describing (as they carried out the procedure) the "efficacy of inducing pre-natal trauma" as opposed to the more costly, time-consuming and difficult induction of an adult who had an already formed personality (?).

> I would imagine that introducing electricity to the foetus in the womb would then only require annual tune-ups or refinements of the developing child ... like a car

[From] man the mechanical misfit, george estabrooks.

Lynne Moss-Sharman
ACHES-MC
lsharman@microage-tb.com

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